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Post by johngalt on Mar 29, 2024 20:20:38 GMT -5
No human being can change their sex, surgery or no surgery. Period. And anyone who thinks they can is delusional and should not be anywhere near children. What century you live in? Doctors today can do everything but get rid or or add the Y chromosome. Give them another 50 years and they will likely be able to even modify that. This century. Show me a man that can ovulate or a woman who can produce sperm. I’ll wait.
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Post by bullfrog on Mar 29, 2024 20:25:50 GMT -5
Flaying a penis and shoving the skin up into the pelvis does not a real vaginamake.
The technology just plain isn’t there to make a real sex change.
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Post by walkerdog on Mar 29, 2024 20:29:28 GMT -5
It’s false to think that having gender dysmorphia doesn’t hurt people. Their suicide rate is higher than those who are happy with the genitalia god gave them. It’s nurture not nature that causes most of them to be unsure of what their real gender is. I feel sorry for them that they didn’t have a better upbringing. Read Bruce Jenners bio and tell me if it’s nature vs nurture. Sad story there. I remember back in the day when he was on the Wheaties box and was someone kids aspired to be. Today, not so much. I don’t think he’s a bad person. But I do think he’s a little strange though.
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Post by tonyroma on Mar 29, 2024 20:37:03 GMT -5
You think his parents turned him into a tranny? Nature vs nurture.
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Post by PolarsStepdad on Mar 29, 2024 20:38:10 GMT -5
It’s false to think that having gender dysmorphia doesn’t hurt people. Their suicide rate is higher than those who are happy with the genitalia god gave them. It’s nurture not nature that causes most of them to be unsure of what their real gender is. I feel sorry for them that they didn’t have a better upbringing. At one point in my life I would have somewhat agreed with you. However life has shown me that upbringing doesn't have much to do with it. I said something to a friend many years ago and helps response was bullshit. When me and my brothers were playing GI Joe their 8 year old baby brother was on the front porch having a baby. I grew up in a deeply religious home in a deeply religious community. There was a guy in our close group of friends who since kindergarten we knew he was "diffrent". This become especially apparent when we became teens. He just was never like a typical boy. Unfortunately he married a woman and they had a kid. She caught him getting boofed by another dude. How she didn't see it coming is one of life's mysteries. Because the rest of us knew he was sweet. Even before we knew what it meant he was just not "one of the guys" he's not the only one. Not by a long shot. I will go as far to say that some people get those tendacies from childhood trauma of molestation or worse. But not all. Some just made no sense why they would turn out that way unless they were just "born that way". I do feel bad for them. Some of them are really good hearted people. But somewhere along the way before birth or something a couple of wires get crossed. I just don't believe the majority of people that are homosexual leaning wake up one day and say things what I want to be. I want to be made fun of. Ridiculed. Isolated and abandoned by my friends and loved ones. Because it's cool. Maybe there is some now who think it's the cool thing to be. But I can't believe that it's a majority or even large minority of that population. It's so foreign to me because I have never looked at a man and felt anything attractive about one. I know how much I LOVE looking g at women. And how beautiful they are as a whole. And I just can't imagine feeling that way about another man. It must suck. Especially in a community like mine to grow up feeling that way. Especially 30 years ago
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Post by walkerdog on Mar 29, 2024 20:44:01 GMT -5
You think his parents turned him into a tranny? Nature vs nurture. Can’t speak for him, in particular. But I do believe that most often it’s a lack of good parenting that produces people with gender dysmorphia.
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Post by walkerdog on Mar 29, 2024 20:47:51 GMT -5
It’s false to think that having gender dysmorphia doesn’t hurt people. Their suicide rate is higher than those who are happy with the genitalia god gave them. It’s nurture not nature that causes most of them to be unsure of what their real gender is. I feel sorry for them that they didn’t have a better upbringing. At one point in my life I would have somewhat agreed with you. However life has shown me that upbringing doesn't have much to do with it. I said something to a friend many years ago and helps response was bullshit. When me and my brothers were playing GI Joe their 8 year old baby brother was on the front porch having a baby. I grew up in a deeply religious home in a deeply religious community. There was a guy in our close group of friends who since kindergarten we knew he was "diffrent". This become especially apparent when we became teens. He just was never like a typical boy. Unfortunately he married a woman and they had a kid. She caught him getting boofed by another dude. How she didn't see it coming is one of life's mysteries. Because the rest of us knew he was sweet. Even before we knew what it meant he was just not "one of the guys" he's not the only one. Not by a long shot. I will go as far to say that some people get those tendacies from childhood trauma of molestation or worse. But not all. Some just made no sense why they would turn out that way unless they were just "born that way". I do feel bad for them. Some of them are really good hearted people. But somewhere along the way before birth or something a couple of wires get crossed. I just don't believe the majority of people that are homosexual leaning wake up one day and say things what I want to be. I want to be made fun of. Ridiculed. Isolated and abandoned by my friends and loved ones. Because it's cool. Maybe there is some now who think it's the cool thing to be. But I can't believe that it's a majority or even large minority of that population. It's so foreign to me because I have never looked at a man and felt anything attractive about one. I know how much I LOVE looking g at women. And how beautiful they are as a whole. And I just can't imagine feeling that way about another man. It must suck. Especially in a community like mine to grow up feeling that way. Especially 30 years ago Can’t say I disagree with anything you’ve said. The percentages that fit what you’re describing aren’t very high though. Look at young kids today and the percentages are no longer low. That tells me something has changed. And not for the better. And I don’t think nature is what has changed.
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Post by PolarsStepdad on Mar 29, 2024 21:14:36 GMT -5
I dont know if society has changed and there are more. Or if they've always been there they just didn't feel as comfortable coming out then as they do now. Maybe a little bit of both
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Post by biminitwisted on Mar 29, 2024 22:03:29 GMT -5
I dont know if society has changed and there are more. Or if they've always been there they just didn't feel as comfortable coming out then as they do now. Maybe a little bit of both
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Post by walkerdog on Mar 30, 2024 8:16:43 GMT -5
I dont know if society has changed and there are more. Or if they've always been there they just didn't feel as comfortable coming out then as they do now. Maybe a little bit of both Agree that its some of both but I believe societal change is the genesis of a lot more than nature would produce. Tolerance of people being what they want to be in life is a good thing. Helping people make good choices for themselves through adolescence is also a good thing and one that I believe is more lacking than it once was.
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Post by tonyroma on Mar 30, 2024 8:58:09 GMT -5
I dont know if society has changed and there are more. Or if they've always been there they just didn't feel as comfortable coming out then as they do now. Maybe a little bit of both Agree that its some of both but I believe societal change is the genesis of a lot more than nature would produce. Tolerance of people being what they want to be in life is a good thing. Helping people make good choices for themselves through adolescence is also a good thing and one that I believe is more lacking than it once was. Good choices can be subjective. What’s a good choice for me might be a terrible choice for you, and Vice versa.
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Post by walkerdog on Mar 30, 2024 11:04:14 GMT -5
Can’t say that I agree. What matters is what the outcome is of their choice. If it leads to a higher likelihood of them committing suicide, as it does with those with gender identity issues, it’s hard to say that it’s not being helpful to talk with them about what it may mean for them to head down the road of gender reassignment. For a few, maybe it actually does fit their true nature and being supportive of their decision would be beneficial to them. For the majority, it won’t, and supporting their decision would be hurting them.
The younger a person considering gender reassignment is, the higher the likelihood that it won’t end well for them, because they’re trying to make a life altering decision before they’ve matured enough to be able to understand how it will permanently effect their future.
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Post by tonyroma on Mar 30, 2024 13:05:28 GMT -5
Would you not agree that the higher suicide rate may come from parents who do not except the child or teenager. Waking up every morning being called a freak and knowing that how you feel is disappointing your parents must be a heavy burden to carry for a mind that is not fully developed. I believe Ted Cruz’s family is going through this scenario.
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Post by walkerdog on Mar 30, 2024 16:19:01 GMT -5
Would you not agree that the higher suicide rate may come from parents who do not except the child or teenager. Waking up every morning being called a freak and knowing that how you feel is disappointing your parents must be a heavy burden to carry for a mind that is not fully developed. I believe Ted Cruz’s family is going through this scenario. Probably is. No more so than finally realizing that you permanently disfigured yourself in an effort to fit in with your peers though. That’s why I pointed out that it’s important for any parent worth a damn to get to the bottom of what the cause of their confusion is by discussing it with them and then helping them make the choice that is best for them. It’s not a one size fits all type thing. Maybe you’re right though and it’s nature changing kids today to make them less sure of themselves in knowing who they really are. I read somewhere about the increase in plastics in our environment actually increasing the amount of estrogen in a number of species in the food chain. So maybe we’ve all done it to them and it’s just who they are now. I really don’t thinks so though.
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Post by luapnor on Mar 31, 2024 11:24:13 GMT -5
Would you not agree that the higher suicide rate may come from parents who do not except the child or teenager. Waking up every morning being called a freak and knowing that how you feel is disappointing your parents must be a heavy burden to carry for a mind that is not fully developed. I believe Ted Cruz’s family is going through this scenario. It comes from the fact that it's a mental illness.
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