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Apr 13, 2024 6:41:16 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2024 6:41:16 GMT -5
I also find it hard to believe that so many women are in favor of ending the lives of children. Potential mothers are usually the most sensitive to the needs of children. The left wants to make killing poor black children very easy. It's the goal Why. They rely upon that segment of the population to vote for them. Killing the babies eliminates the voters that they rely upon. But wait, yes, they are losing the monopoly on these minorities voting Democratic always. |
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Apr 14, 2024 16:02:40 GMT -5
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Post by walkerdog on Apr 14, 2024 16:02:40 GMT -5
Yup. The biggest pandemic in our lifetimes had absolutely nothing to do with it. It was all about control! You tell him!
Oh, wait a minute, this is the abortion thread. Did someone say something about control??? Isn't that odd?
I respect a women's right to choose and control her own body and destiny, and, curiously enough, I'm in the majority in this state and country on the topic.
For those who disagree it would seem that having it on the ballot is hard to spin as a good thing. Then again, the mental gymnastics around here defy logic so I suppose that we shall see.
That sword cuts both ways. Plenty of ridiculous claims being made right here in support of abortion as well. Oh well. NMMNMC |
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Abortion
Apr 14, 2024 16:16:20 GMT -5
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Post by walkerdog on Apr 14, 2024 16:16:20 GMT -5
Sending the option back to the States to decide individually is the best and proper way to allow people to decide for themselves. A National referendum would not work. Should people in Montana or South Dakota be controlled by the will of liberals from California or Illinois who don’t share their views and beliefs? No Now you know why liberals are so upset. Liberals want the coastal areas of the US to be able to mandate that the federal government enshrine abortion as a national right. Doesn’t matter to them that the constitution says that each state has the right to determine that for themselves. Any other argument from them is just more BS foaming at the mouth that the wrong was finally righted to make it conform to what the constitution actually says. They’d rather throw a tantrum about losing the federal mandate because of its unconstitutionality than work to get what they want by actually changing the constitution, as they would need to do before it could ever legally become a federally mandated right. |
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Apr 14, 2024 16:28:22 GMT -5
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Post by walkerdog on Apr 14, 2024 16:28:22 GMT -5
Utterly ridiculous comments. Out of a half million abortions every year, or whatever the number is, 99.9% are babies conceived from normal relationships. There might be 5, FIVE pregnancies a year that result from a rape of a child, and in those cases abortion is allowed in every state in the land. Doctors are not in fear of prosecution. And its called a D&C, not a D&E. Dilate & Evacuate. 99.9%, did you poll all the abortion seekers? It's not that bad. I'm exaggerating? So what of other issues? Nonviable or severely disabled fetuses? Are their exceptions in every state for them? Or am I again exaggerating? Your exaggeration is in what you claim pro-life people think. The broad brush you use makes your claim patently false. While there may be some that actually are as you describe them, there are also many that aren’t at all as you claim them to be. I’d expect that kind of generalization from a BT or a psycholist (sorry, but it fits when it comes to how he describes those with political views that aren’t the same as his). But it’s somewhat surprising to see from Polar. |
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Apr 14, 2024 17:00:08 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2024 17:00:08 GMT -5
It just not right. Extreme circumstances- yes. Convenience- no.
Let us let the individual states decide what they want.
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Post by biminitwisted on Apr 14, 2024 17:06:44 GMT -5
Sending the option back to the States to decide individually is the best and proper way to allow people to decide for themselves. A National referendum would not work. Should people in Montana or South Dakota be controlled by the will of liberals from California or Illinois who don’t share their views and beliefs? No Now you know why liberals are so upset. Liberals want the coastal areas of the US to be able to mandate that the federal government enshrine abortion as a national right. Doesn’t matter to them that the constitution says that each state has the right to determine that for themselves. Any other argument from them is just more BS foaming at the mouth that the wrong was finally righted to make it conform to what the constitution actually says. They’d rather throw a tantrum about losing the federal mandate because of its unconstitutionality than work to get what they want by actually changing the constitution, as they would need to do before it could ever legally become a federally mandated right. There are ways for reproductive rights to become national rights pass constitutional muster. Courts reverse decisions, and change their makeup al the time. Court opinions change and so do a court's make-up, and it all start at the ballot box this Roevember. A hard rain is going to fall, and it's going to fall nationwide. Oh, and it won't be any different in ruby red states. Though, like now in Arizona the panic will set in with the "that's not what we meant by state's rights" The voters will decide, and they will decide for the country. |
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Post by biminitwisted on Apr 14, 2024 17:11:56 GMT -5
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Apr 14, 2024 17:22:02 GMT -5
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Post by walkerdog on Apr 14, 2024 17:22:02 GMT -5
I get that changing the constitution is probably more work than most are willing to go through.
Might as well try the unconstitutional route again then, right?🙄
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Post by biminitwisted on Apr 14, 2024 17:24:29 GMT -5
I get that changing the constitution is probably more work than most are willing to go through. Might as well try the unconstitutional route again then, right?🙄 Why mess with the Constitution when a law can be passed that would have the same results? There's lots of way to fuck this pig, and they start at the ballot box. You can refer to Plessy v. Ferguson if you'd like. |
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Abortion
Apr 14, 2024 17:29:45 GMT -5
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Post by dragonbait on Apr 14, 2024 17:29:45 GMT -5
Try, just try, to not post an entire screenshot in black of your hero, Trump. Tell you what......if you stop that crap for a week, I will wire you $10k. That means I'm tired of hearing about your hero, Trump, and tired of your black screen posts. Do we have a deal? You do realize that you do not have to come to politics right? Where else can he brag about the fact that he has to pay to get laid |
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Apr 14, 2024 17:31:49 GMT -5
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Post by walkerdog on Apr 14, 2024 17:31:49 GMT -5
I prefer constitutionally supported laws over RvW types of laws.
I’m less emotionally driven than most though. YMMV.
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Post by biminitwisted on Apr 14, 2024 17:34:18 GMT -5
I prefer constitutionally supported laws over RvW types of laws. I’m less emotionally driven than most though. YMMV. Me too. I just realize one doesn't need to amend the constitution to get there. |
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Apr 14, 2024 19:37:14 GMT -5
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Post by walkerdog on Apr 14, 2024 19:37:14 GMT -5
Sure it can be done. Nobody is saying otherwise. Look at RvW. It didn’t matter at the time that it wasn’t constitutional.
If you want lasting change though, don’t waste time trying to stack the SP so you can legislate from the bench. Don’t wast your time getting another unconstitutional law passed either. Neither will
keep you from being right back where you are, eventually.
Do it the right way, if you want it to last.
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Apr 14, 2024 19:46:40 GMT -5
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Post by biminitwisted on Apr 14, 2024 19:46:40 GMT -5
Sure it can be done. Nobody is saying otherwise. Look at RvW. It didn’t matter at the time that it wasn’t constitutional. If you want lasting change though, don’t waste time trying to stack the SP so you can legislate from the bench. Don’t wast your time getting another unconstitutional law passed either. Neither will keep you from being right back where you are, eventually. Do it the right way, if you want it to last. The two ways we’re discussing are not mutually exclusive. Give women the rights they enjoyed for generations that were taken away from them now via the vote. Then, get an amendment. |
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Apr 14, 2024 21:00:35 GMT -5
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Post by walkerdog on Apr 14, 2024 21:00:35 GMT -5
You mean the rights that were correctly determined to have been unconstitutionally enacted? Not without first amending the constitution. Short of that happening, it will constitutionally remain a matter that is the right of each state to decide. |
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Post by biminitwisted on Apr 14, 2024 22:12:45 GMT -5
You mean the rights that were correctly determined to have been unconstitutionally enacted? Not without first amending the constitution. Short of that happening, it will constitutionally remain a matter that is the right of each state to decide. That's not how laws work. New laws get upheld overturning previous decisions. Like I said, Brown v. Board of Education reversed the Plessy v. Ferguson ruling, and there are about 160 other SCOTUS examples. Just because you want it done the hard way, doesn't mean that's the way it's going to go. Starting with this election. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2024 8:33:37 GMT -5
Yes. It will be interesting to see what happens if the Pubs take complete control.
I think, despite my personal belief, that the individual states will determine the best way to regulate the issue.
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Post by meateater on Apr 15, 2024 9:08:24 GMT -5
republicans are there worst enemy, i dont remember the teams but remember when the team had the super bowl locked up, take a knee run out the clock instead they throw a pass and it gets intercepted, think patriots intercepted the pass and went on to win. this happened right before mid terms when the court overturned roe and repubs big wave turned into a mouse with kidney stones taking a piss. now texas and arizona pulling this stupid shit before the election when its been proving over and over to be a loser politically. trump should have run as a independent cause republicans are gonna win biden a 2nd term.
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Post by ferris1248 on Apr 15, 2024 9:43:36 GMT -5
You might be right............but then again.  Who knows? |
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Post by luapnor on Apr 15, 2024 10:19:34 GMT -5
I cant imagine voting to keep slavery and making it easier to own slaves.... just to win an election.
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Post by biminitwisted on Apr 17, 2024 16:04:23 GMT -5
Arizona republicans cheering the 1864 abortion ban. They can't walk away from owning this.
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Post by biminitwisted on Apr 17, 2024 16:37:53 GMT -5
They're not done yet.
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Post by PolarsStepdad on Apr 17, 2024 17:03:25 GMT -5
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Post by Captj on Apr 17, 2024 18:06:35 GMT -5
I cant imagine voting to keep slavery and making it easier to own slaves.... just to win an election. Ruskie misinformation - again. |
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Post by johngalt on Apr 17, 2024 19:33:02 GMT -5
Well , well oh how things work!!!😂😂😂 As I said before and will repeat,,, TAKE A CIVICS LESSON. We are a Constitutional Republic not a stupid democracy. The people of Arizona will decide this law not some crybabies sitting in their parents house in Florida. And the people of Arizona will decide it democratically, like a democracy would. Maybe you need a civics lesson too. You might want to read the 17th amendment as well. It changed a fundamental part or our constitution by allowing the citizens to elect Senators instead of being appointed by the state legislature. It really isn't as simple as saying "we aren't a democracy" we are in many ways a democracy, especially at the state and local level and even democratically electing our representatives. We are a democratically elected Constitutional Republic. We democratically elected our representatives to make laws following our Constitution. It would be impossible for a nation as large and complex as the U.S. to be a pure democracy. Please point out the word “Democracy” in any of our founding documents. I will help you out, it ain’t there. The founders knew to a man that all democracy’s always turn into tyrannies. Our problem is that we are ignoring the Constitution and the foundations of our country. And people like you are fine with it as long as your beliefs are respected. I suggest you take the civics lesson because you are very ignorant. |
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Apr 17, 2024 19:37:04 GMT -5
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Post by johngalt on Apr 17, 2024 19:37:04 GMT -5
You simply don't get it. Nearly 2/3rds of the country disagrees with you (and even more among women). Yet you disbelieve: "I also find it hard to believe that so many women are in favor of ending the lives of children. " If that's not out of touch, then perhaps you might explain it with something other than your minority-position pejoratives. So why not put it to a national vote? All of you claim that the United States is a democracy, here is your chance. 😉 |
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Apr 17, 2024 19:39:34 GMT -5
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Post by johngalt on Apr 17, 2024 19:39:34 GMT -5
I prefer constitutionally supported laws over RvW types of laws. I’m less emotionally driven than most though. YMMV. Me too. I just realize one doesn't need to amend the constitution to get there. So why do you care what happens in Arizona? |
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Post by OhMy on Apr 17, 2024 19:41:20 GMT -5
You simply don't get it. Nearly 2/3rds of the country disagrees with you (and even more among women). Yet you disbelieve: "I also find it hard to believe that so many women are in favor of ending the lives of children. " If that's not out of touch, then perhaps you might explain it with something other than your minority-position pejoratives. So why not put it to a national vote? All of you claim that the United States is a democracy, here is your chance. 😉 I am pretty sure abortion would pass with 70% approval (with a 24 week ban) nationwide . |
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Post by biminitwisted on Apr 17, 2024 22:28:24 GMT -5
Me too. I just realize one doesn't need to amend the constitution to get there. So why do you care what happens in Arizona? Because I don't feel entitled to control women and their choices in regards to their reproductive rights. Silly, I know. |
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Post by walkerdog on Apr 18, 2024 6:52:50 GMT -5
So then don’t.
What does something AZ is deciding on have to do with how you choose to control women or not control women?
It doesn’t.
The issue isn’t about controlling women anyway. Thats just your choice on how to frame it. Similar to me saying that, if you’re pro abortion, you just want to kill inconvenient unborn children.
Neither claim accurately portray’s the other’s views on the issue.
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