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Post by Tarponator on May 16, 2024 16:11:28 GMT -5
Believe what?
I know what I would say. I was asking the guy who said he wasn't going to post here anymore (or anyone else for that matter) what it is.
You are free to answer as well.
Inmy belief, God made every individual on this earth different. and I also believe that begins at the point of conception. You can see very often, identical, twins, have different personalities and beliefs. Why is that? Because God made everyone special. That's nice.
But what does your belief that 'god made everyone special" have to do with a soul?
For instance, couldn't the same thing be said for identical twin dogs?
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Post by conchydong on May 16, 2024 16:31:14 GMT -5
Inmy belief, God made every individual on this earth different. and I also believe that begins at the point of conception. You can see very often, identical, twins, have different personalities and beliefs. Why is that? Because God made everyone special. That's nice.
But what does your belief that 'god made everyone special" have to do with a soul?
For instance, couldn't the same thing be said for identical twin dogs?
You are a PITA. God Bless your girlfriend. The soul is the unique spirit that everyone has been gifted with and is ever lasting even after death.
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Post by Tarponator on May 16, 2024 16:39:26 GMT -5
Dogs too?
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Post by conchydong on May 16, 2024 16:40:46 GMT -5
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Post by Tarponator on May 16, 2024 16:43:27 GMT -5
That's not so nice.
Says who?
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Post by conchydong on May 16, 2024 16:51:44 GMT -5
That's no so nice.
Says who? Me, and I believe that the Bible, Torah and Koran would also agree.
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Post by Tarponator on May 16, 2024 17:00:23 GMT -5
Sorry, but I'm not going to take your word for it.
Please point to the verse in the Torah that suggests that man but not dogs have a soul.
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Post by conchydong on May 16, 2024 17:03:37 GMT -5
Sorry, but I'm not going to take your word for it.
Please point to the verse in the Torah that suggests that man but not dogs have a soul. gee , I don’t happen to have a copy near me but if you’re inclined to do the research then have at it. If animals weren’t mentioned specifically I would think they were excluded.
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Post by Tarponator on May 16, 2024 17:06:55 GMT -5
For someone so sure, that's an odd way to answer. Let me help: There is no verse in the Torah that says dogs don't have a soul.
Animals are very specifically mentioned in both the NT and Koran, and while the former is a bit murky you couldn't be more wrong about the latter, but we'll come back to them.
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Post by conchydong on May 16, 2024 17:13:35 GMT -5
For someone so sure, that's an odd way to answer. Let me help: There is no verse in the Torah that says dogs don't have a soul.
Animals are very specifically mentioned in both the NT and Koran, and you couldn't be more wrong about the latter, but we'll come back to them.
I said that I think that. It did not insinuate that I was positive of the matter. For such a stickler for verbiage you should recognize the response as pinion
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Post by cadman on May 16, 2024 17:13:50 GMT -5
Sorry, but I'm not going to take your word for it.
Please point to the verse in the Torah that suggests that man but not dogs have a soul. gee , I don’t happen to have a copy near me but if you’re inclined to do the research then have at it. If animals weren’t mentioned specifically I would think they were excluded. You don't have a bible near by? The Torah is basically the first five books of the old testament. Animals are mentioned in the old testament. There is debates among religious people on whether or not dogs have souls. Several Popes have said they do. So there are no dogs in heaven? But you do bring up an interesting issue, if a soul is present at conception, how is a fetus represented in heaven.
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Post by Tarponator on May 16, 2024 17:16:54 GMT -5
For someone so sure, that's an odd way to answer. Let me help: There is no verse in the Torah that says dogs don't have a soul.
Animals are very specifically mentioned in both the NT and Koran, and you couldn't be more wrong about the latter, but we'll come back to them.
I said that I think that. It did not insinuate that I was positive of the matter. For such a stickler for verbiage you should recognize the response as pinion Well, I certainly don't want to put words in your mouth, but I think you meant "opinion".
I am quite positive, by the way: There is no verse in the Torah that says dogs don't have a soul.
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Post by conchydong on May 16, 2024 17:18:50 GMT -5
gee , I don’t happen to have a copy near me but if you’re inclined to do the research then have at it. If animals weren’t mentioned specifically I would think they were excluded. You don't have a bible near by? The Torah is basically the first five books of the old testament. Animals are mentioned in the old testament. There is debates among religious people on whether or not dogs have souls. Several Popes have said they do. So there are no dogs in heaven? No I don’t have a Bible near me as I am sitting on my back porch with a Bourbon and cigar. Since you are so smart tell me where animals have souls. If you show me then I will apologize to you and Tarp.
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Post by Tarponator on May 16, 2024 17:20:33 GMT -5
And since you seem to think the Koran (Quran) agrees with you, you might want to take a look at these two verses so you know what that book actually says: There is not an animal (that lives) on the earth, nor a bird that flies with its two wings, except that they are nations like you. Nothing have we omitted from the Book. Then unto their Lord they will be gathered (after resurrection). [Al-Anaam Ayah 38] The entire creation would be resurrected on the Day of Judgement, the animals, wild beasts and birds. All would be brought to justice, those animals without horns, who were oppressed would take revenge against its opponents, then Allah ﷻ would say: become dust! Upon this the disbeliever would say; Oh, I wish that I were dust! [Al-Mustadrak][2] There's quite a bit more on the topic in the Koran, if you're interested.
What kind of cigar you smoking?
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Post by conchydong on May 16, 2024 17:26:30 GMT -5
Ok if you want to prove me that I am wrong then I will admit that I was wrong. I still don’t believe that animals other than humans have “soul “. I guess I am a outlier. My sincere apologies to Tarp and Cadmus.
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